Expert Rajat Sharma Weighs in on Defence and Real Estate Sectors
Rajat Sharma, CEO of Sana Securities, shares his insights on the sustainability of high valuations in the defence and real estate sectors, while highlighting opportunities in FMCG stocks.
Real Estate News:Rajat Sharma, Founder & CEO of Sana Securities, advises caution on the defence and real estate sectors due to stretched valuations, despite positive market sentiment. He highlights concerns about real estate balance sheets and the unsustainability of current valuations. Sharma favours ITC and alcohol stocks within the FMCG sector, citing their resilience against quick commerce and attractive valuations.
Two themes have been the flavour of the market in the month gone by – defence and real estate packs. Just after the recent tensions across the border, we have seen all these defence companies doing well, and along with that, the real estate pack has been performing well, though the numbers were not that great. From the April lows, these stocks have given double-digit returns. The question is, can these continue to be the flavour of the market in the coming months, and are the valuations comfortable and trading in a decent zone?
Rajat Sharma: Let's take them one by one. When you talk about defence, and the moment you say flavour of the month, that should at some point die. Flavour of the month is for a month, two months, a quarter; but a flavour of the month cannot be sustainable. Now, I do not doubt that defence companies are strategically important for India. We are seeing increasing hostilities in the world, and stocks like Bharat Electronics, which produced the radars that really saved us in recent conflicts, are great companies. However, let's talk about valuations and not get carried away with wars or skirmishes. These companies are trading at very expensive valuations. Will they continue to trade at expensive valuations for a while? Sure, they could because the sentiment is so much in their favour. But are they value buys? Would you like to buy them at these prices and hold them for the next two or three years? My sense is you will get these stocks for cheaper than the prices at which they are available now.
Coming to real estate, valuations are again extremely stretched. You look at DLF, Prestige Realty, the Lodha Group, and most of these companies, and something very interesting is happening. When I talk to investors in real estate in the market, they feel prices have run up a lot, like real estate prices are zooming, and house prices are excluding Bombay, where there is a slowdown. But in the Delhi NCR region, Bangalore, Hyderabad, a lot of these house prices are going through the roof. However, a lot of that is not being reflected in the balance sheets of these companies. So, valuations have stretched. I do not know why because house prices are really robust, they are selling, and prices are going up, but the money is not being reflected on the balance sheet. So, take a guess where it is going. Real estate is a cyclical business, and in their peak cycles, they always run on very high valuations. But all of that has already played out for a lot of these large-cap real estate companies. From here, do these companies have the legs to keep running higher and higher? Maybe another two quarters I would believe, but that is not on account of fundamentals as reflected in their balance sheets, but more on sentiment. So, it does not fit into my scheme of things. This is not a sector where I am initiating or looking to buy anything more.
What is your view on the consumption space? How do you see this space shaping up given the kind of government push that we are seeing to increase consumption and also the early monsoon that has set in? Do you expect any kind of growth momentum going forward for this space, and within this space, are there any particular pockets where you find more value?
Rajat Sharma: Yes, we were looking at consumption. But consumption is a very large area. There are consumer discretionaries, like Voltas, but I was specifically looking at FMCG where valuations have still not come down, but that is largely on account of extreme margin pressure. So, the revenues are not growing, whether you talk about HUL or Asian Paints or Nestle. I was trying to understand why that is. We started looking at a host of factors and realised that quick commerce is the reason why a lot of these FMCG companies that sell 20, 30, 40, 100 rupee items, like soaps, ice creams, biscuits, bread, butter, coffee, and these kinds of companies, the reason why rural demand is not slowing down, but urban demand is slowing down is because quick commerce has allowed a lot of these new players to come into the market. Earlier, whether you would go to a Nature's Basket or a Modern Bazaar or any kirana store, you would see there would be a rack for coffees, and there would be Nescafe and Bru or another brand. Today, people are buying on Blinkit and online, so maybe Eternal or other brands. For people who are buying on these online platforms, they are like shops. So, for stocks like HUL and Britannia and Nestle or Marico, which sells hair oil, there are so many kinds of coconut oils which you can buy online, and this is likely to stay. So, this margin pressure is likely to continue unless some of these larger players buy out some of these brands on the Blinkits of the world and take them under their umbrella and sell them as theirs. But that could take a while. So, I am positive that stocks like HUL would eventually do well when they figure out how to deal with this quick commerce game, but that is a while away.
While we were doing this research, let's look at all these stocks. I figured there are two stocks which are not impacted in FMCG by quick commerce – cigarettes and alcohol. Now, I do not drink, but I do invest in alcohol companies, and these two things will never be sold on Blinkit because the government regulation will not allow it. So, both stocks are available at decent valuations. I suggested adding these two stocks to our client portfolios, and ITC in particular, after yesterday's correction because of that BAT news of selling some 2.3% stake has become even more attractive. If this whole BAT issue is behind us, these stocks should trade far higher. You have America with a population of 34 crores with three large cigarette companies. You have India with 154 crores and an increasing number of smokers and one monopoly. Four out of five cigarettes sold by ITC. These are the stocks in FMCG that I really like.
You have talked about how valuations are stretched in the defence and real estate baskets. But apart from that, do you see risks in any particular sectors, and do you think investors must avoid and steer clear of?
Rajat Sharma: From time to time, there are these sectors which get really overheated, and everybody wants to buy something in that sector. Personally, PSUs are still since they corrected a little from the top, everybody is jumping on to buy PSU stocks, not realising that they are still far more expensive than where you have power generation stocks like SJVN and NHPC, which used to four-five years ago trade at Rs 24-25, they ran up to 150-160 for SJVN, today it is trading at Rs 100, 120, it is not like it has become very cheap, just that it has fallen from its peak. But people find it attractive, but I still think the whole world is not getting into solar and hydro so soon. So it's still very, very expensive. I find government power stocks and PSU-themed stocks like defence stocks, real estate stocks to be expensive.
Frequently Asked Questions
What is Rajat Sharma's view on the defence sector?
Rajat Sharma advises caution on the defence sector due to high valuations, despite positive sentiment. He believes these stocks could trade at expensive valuations for a while but are not value buys for the long term.
Why is Rajat Sharma cautious about real estate stocks?
Rajat Sharma is cautious about real estate stocks because valuations are stretched, and the money from rising house prices is not being reflected in the balance sheets of these companies.
Which FMCG stocks does Rajat Sharma recommend?
Rajat Sharma recommends ITC and alcohol stocks within the FMCG sector, citing their resilience against quick commerce and attractive valuations.
What is the impact of quick commerce on FMCG companies?
Quick commerce is impacting FMCG companies by allowing new players to enter the market, leading to margin pressure for established brands like HUL and Britannia.
Which sectors does Rajat Sharma find overvalued?
Rajat Sharma finds government power stocks, PSU-themed stocks, defence stocks, and real estate stocks to be overvalued.